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Why don't we Newgrounders make a film?

Posted by KartuneHustla - December 22nd, 2008


For the poeple with short attention spans that don't feel like reading this. I will quickly summarize what I'm trying to say. Obviously people aren't reading the thread entirely. (Clears his throat). I am not trying to do anything at the moment involving a animated film. I am just expressing what it would take to do something like it and hopes for there being a collaboration to do an animated film. No the film doesnt have to be 100 mins long. That's just a maximum. For the people who think I just want people to do work for me, that is not the case. I would definitely put my time in animating a part of the project if it were to happen. This is just a case of What IF. Nothing is official. No of course there is no story to even make an animated film for the person who wanted to know. I explain that you would of course need writers and even then, people will tend to not want to animate other peoples stories. Yes it would be hard, yes you would need a story (duh), yes i understand all the problems that will arise

I had this thought on my mind all the time... why don't I make a movie. I always wanted to make a film. My goal in life before I die is to create a film one day. I don't care if it sucks or stands the test of time. As long as I finish it, then that would make me happy. So, I look at all the artist on Newgrounds and ask myself, why don't we all collaborate on a movie. Making a quality animation for me takes about a month for every 2 minutes of animation. Now, I don't mind making a short animation for a film festival. Actually, later in 2009 I plan on making a submission for film festivals so I can get a head start on my independent career. I seriously want to be an independent animator, so in order to do it I have to take the steps to become exactly that. But anyways, let me get to the point I was trying to make

There are a ton of incredible artist, writers, and voice actors all around Newgrounds. If I made a list right here and now, it would take me the entire day. Basically, there is a lot of talent. If we could group all of these people together, we could definitely come up with a movie in a period of about a year. If it takes me a month to do 2 minutes of animation, then think of what 50 or more animators could do in a year. I think if there was a collaboration to create a movie on Newgrounds, it would help people understand the process that goes into making an animated movie. It would be an incredible journey and a great learning experience. Who hasn't ever wanted to make or be a part of a movie?

Anyways, I've been trying to gather ways to go about doing this so it would actually be a feasible goal. Usually, animated movies never exceed 100 minutes. As an animator and a student, I would probably never have the time to complete an animated film at that length. It would take me years, if not a decade of working on the animation. I would love to put the time into something like that, but doing everything by myself can be a hassle.

If you handed each animator maybe like 2 to 4 minutes over a period of about 7 months, they will come out with some beautifully done line animation. Then when the months have ended, you can compile all the work, and come out with an animation that can turn into a movie. It sounds easy when I type it, but then I run into the problem of people who have trouble working with someone's style of drawing that may drastically differ from there's. If there is in fact gonna be a collaboration such as this, we would have to all convert to one style of animation to keep things similar. That's the only way it can be done, unless the project was gonna be like the Animatrix, but generally the artwork has to be exactly the same. So we would need concept artist to come up with the style. If you are gonna work on these types of animation, then you have to learn to change styles in order to make a more fluid animation. Usually 3d animations already have the character models set up for use and all the animators have to do is put them in poses. However, for 2d each animator has to learn to be able to animate what they are given for concept art.

Anyways, If we could get really great animators to join in making a colaborative movie one day, that would just be astounding. Maybe next year after I finish my projects, I'll start to make this collaboration. Or maybe, someone else will come along and make it themselves.

Everytime I think of making a collaborative movie, I always think about the script and the story. Its hard to get people to commit to one story and one story only. Sometimes, people may not agree and want to add something so they can animate the way their own scenes. The only way to make sure that it is fair is if no animators partake in writing the script. It would have to be the script writers that help writing. It would be good though to have everyone, writers, artist and actors to add things they would like to see in the story however before any writing is ever done. It would be great if there was already a script made and we had artist come in who read the script and want to join because they love the story. Those would probably be the best ways. It would be cool though to get writers into it as well.

Background artist and concept artist will have to do the same thing the animators do and come up with one style to go with. The backgrounds have to go from background to background just as well as the animation.

I think in the long run, for this to happen, we definitely have to appoint a director, someone who can manage the entire project. I wouldn't mind doing it myself, but I doubt anyone wants to listen to me direct them. It would have to be an admin, or someone people respect more. It would be pretty cool if Tom Fulp orchestrated the whole thing, or even Mindchamber or Johnny Utah for that matter. If it had to me, I would definitely put in the time to make it happen, I just doubt people would want to join me anyways :). Put hey, I will be glad to orchestrate something like this whenever I get the chance next year.

So yeah, a movie made by the people, for the people would be an excellent collaboration. I would love to see some newground artist come together and make something for film festivals or even movie theaters. You never know. If you guys would be interested in that sort of thing, let me know. I will try my best to put together something solid so people can join. There would be alot of documents for me to write up so everybody knows what they are doing and etc, but I think that this collaboration, if it were to at least be attempted, would be a great experience. Even if it is never finished, it was still atleast attempted and thats all that matters. It would be good if it was finished and complete though :).

Well, thats all I have to say on the matter. I think my love for animated films makes me want to accomplish something like this one day. I was watching Iron Giant for the 200th time yesterday and Paprika (by the way, if you have never watched this movie, get off your ass and watch it because the animation is surreal), and everytime I watch movies like these, I keep asking myself... when will I make something like this. Well, hopefully a collaboration can happen. Well, to end this post, here are my top 5 2d animated movies for you guys to check out:
Iron Giant
Paprika
Akira
Lilo & Stitch (made me cry)
Lion King

I wish that American Studios still made animated films, but what can you do?

Why don't we Newgrounders make a film?


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What? No TL;DR?
but I'd like to make a flim.

Wow, we share the same dream. =)

:) sweet man

That would be cool, but also extremely difficult and compiling it all will be a bitch, but hey I am fully supportive of this and Why isn't Mulan on this top list of 2 animated movies?

thats on my top ten, but I love animes alot for some reason. Their stories break the norm

Interested

It takes a month for you to animate one minute of animation, and it would take a day to write down names? You are really behind. Get the lead out, man.

well when I say that, I mean to make something thats pure quality. I would fill out all the frames in a 25 fps animation, then it would take me a month. Making everything smoth :). Actually 2 minutes of animation equal about 3 weeks if im on redbull. I forgot to exclude the fact that I'm not making any backgrounds and whatnot.

Your thinking too big man. Sure that sounds great and all.. but do you know how hard it is to get 100+ people to work on a film OVER THE INTERNET? That has never been done before and the only way it could happen is if you could fins 100 plus people to work on it. :|

If you need voice acting, you have found one at least. You will also need a writer... a lot of writers. :o

hahah again, I explain it will be hard, and i explain you will need a large number of people This is just a what if. Do you ever read my journals at all :)

whaaaat no miyazaki?

Disney is currently working on a 2d animation about a princess in New Orleans. Thought that might cheer ya up a tad.

YES! THANK YOU!

That would be insane, I cant imagine how big that file would be though haha.

Have you seen Mind Game? Thats a great movie.

I heard of it, but never seen it. I remember a few years ago, I heard it circulating through the festivals, but never got the chance. I'll definitely give it a watch this week

If a teen from Philly could make the biggest flash portal on the web bringing artists from all around the world there is no reason why your idea is impossible.

I believe this could work, it will take a lot of time and problems will arise but we together can make the next biggest movie ever. Or at least biggest indie flick.

true man, very true. Tom is badass. Gotta love him

Far as voices go, I have a new mic I'd like to try out. Gimme some lines or something maybe I'll manage to get into your next animation thingo :3

Well nothing is happening now. It will take a good while for this to even start... even if it starts. There are alot of things that need to be done so.... yeah. But since you are a voice actor, i'll have projects i'll be doing later, so if i ever need a voice actor, then i'll give you a holler :)

I DEMAND TO BE ON BOARD THIS PROJECT IF IT DOES HAPPEN

im no animator, but i love to write and help plan things. I have great ideas that can enterpet into a good movie. I just havent been able to get anything on ng cuz of lack of animating skillz (WHICH I WILL BE CHANGING SOON) BUT PLZ, SIGN ME UP

cool man. Yeah, if this were to happen, it would be great for everyone because even if you are not an artist, you can still help by giving ideas, or helping with writing, or whatever

People still animate movies, although those animated movies don't seem to be all that popular or well-known...

There's nothing wrong with thinking big!
Sure, there hasn't been 100+ or 1000+ people making a collab before but that doesn't mean it still can't be done!!

well i mean, in America, there aren't too many 2d animated movies any more. There are so few. The most I see are foreign. Oh shit, I should have listed Persepolis... dammit i love that movie

If you need a writer; count me in. If you got a group of people to sit down and compile their ideas, then sent to you, compiled and voted on, i'm sure you could get the whole project done in the end. All it takes is one step, then another. You've managed one step in the direction, so, plant another foot and keep walking.

well if this ever starts then yeah, it would be great if you joined. Step by step, day by day

That's a great idea!
But what about an actual movie in video-format!?
Members of NG could get a few mates together, and after we choose the genre/plot of the film, they can record themselves and send it to us.
Then we put it all together and make a movie! All done online! :D

that could work too, but for newgrounds there are mainly artist so I decided to do something for artist. This could be applied to making a videogame like castle crashers as well. It would probably more realistic to do that then make a movie. Who knows. A video game collaboration would be badass too.

That sounds like a awesome idea. Like what everyone else said, it would be a difficult feat to accomplish, but if you ever decide to do it, I'd gladly lend some animation skill to the table.

sweet man

Watch the new Disney animated movie have a crappy story. I have extreme low expectations about how Disney wants to appeal to the audience these days. It's mostly an audience of Jonas brothers and Hilary Duff fans anyway.

hahahah true

If you want to really do this we would need some forums for it, and I-m sooo in on the animation side.

Fuck yeah. I think a forum would be perfect. I think the whole project together would need its own website for that matter, or if newgrounds could facilitate the project, that would be great too

well if it had really stupid shit like uhhh newgrounds did I think itd be stupid
yeah i know what the fuck im talking about

hahaha well, its not gonna be like stupid comedy. Im talking about making a film that's actually good, like paprika or spirited away or iron giant, or something to that extent

I've made some amateur real-life movies, about a few minutes in length, nothing spectacular, and I think I could help you with this. I was thinking that each animator do a different part of the movie, not a different section. I know, sounds weird and complicated, so let me explain.

You could have each animator do a different object in the movie, such as one person doing the foreground, one doing the character(s), one for the various objects the character(s) interact with, etc.

I will try to help you in any way possible. If I have any other bright ideas, I'll send you a PM. But, since this place will zip off the front-page news in no time flat, I'll be better able to reply to you if you send me a PM that I can just reply to then. You can put a reply on here, just PM me the reply also please. TY!

-Helloworld00-

thanks. The idea of objects would be too complex. What i was thinking was each animator do a different scene. In animation, I would seperate it as backgrounds and animation. Foreground is basically just part of background art. Usually when I animate i already animate the object with the character. Its just easy like that. Thanks for wanting to help. I want be doing much yet for this. I might not even be putting this together. Im just trying to find out who would be interested in something like this that's all

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