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Filmmakers + Newgrounds: Can we help Independents?

Posted by KartuneHustla - April 2nd, 2008


As an animator and filmmaker, I watch different people stuggle to get their films distributed and noticed in the movie industry. I wrote two screenplays so far, and I have learned the trouble of getting them out into the market place. What I write is usually labeled as Dream Specs. They will probably never see the light of day. I can't trust the success of scripts like Little Miss Sunshine or Juno because out of the millions of scripts pumped out every few years, these surfaced for their marketable assets. Distributors are increasingly more worried about marketing rather than originality. Which is fine, but when do we draw the line. Films like Four Eyed Monsters and We are the Strange have been overlooked for their unmarketable nature as artsy films. So the filmmakers seek self distribution. It is hard to gain an audience when you don't have the money to market your film, especially when it is a great film.

So why am I talking about film distribution. Well, I am currently finishing my third screenplay which is a drama-comedy called Love.Therapy. I've decided to use my money to try and make my ideas come to life rather than wait for companies to scrape them. And as I look at other filmmakers, they struggle to find an audience. So what am I proposing. I want to try and use the resources around me.

Newgrounds is a well established website filled with millions of viewers that are fans of different artist that make content for newgrounds. Unfortunately, it is just animation. There are rarely videos, but when there are, they are sometimes frowned upon. There are independent animators who never even heard of newgrounders who could probably have used the fanbase to help gain its animated short momentum. And filmmakers could do the same.

I guess what I'm trying to say is if newgrounds can open its door to independent filmmakers like me and others who create work that never make it even when their work is showcased in film festivals. Film festivals are incredibly corrupt sometimes, especially when people win awards from prestige festivals like Slamdance or Sundance, only to find no deals and stay in debt from over-budgeting filmmaking. Newgrounds can potentially be a safe haven for independent animated shorts and films. A website called is from here to awesome hoping to help filmmakers get their works distributed with no submission cost and the revenue comes directly into the creators pockets.

Maybe an awesome start to the distribution revolution would be for sites that have a huge following audience wise can help independents strive, such as newgrounds and youtube. If we can band together, just think of the endless possibilities. Newgrounds is huge enough as it is i think, but the problem is that it's sort of swaying to where film festivals are which is creating media that is marketable rather than original. And Newgrounds suceeds to keep it artist oriented and helping get incredible artist known. But I really think it could be open even more.

Newgrounds already holds contest for animators every so often, but I really think if these flash oriented websites pulled together can even host film festivals for animated short films and even, I hope feature films (something I hope to accomplish this summer by creating a film). I hope we can discuss this possibility even more in the forums or I hope Tom can make a front page post about independent filmmaking. This is my way of saying how we can get the media to the people without the need for industry executives.

I really think Newgrounds is on its way to making an online film festival. Something that it pretty much is already on a daily basis. It hands out awards and etc. But I believe it can be something even bigger.

Also, I would like to take the time to tell people of the film that I'm working on and the positions I am looking to fill during the middle of May.
The name of the movie as I said before is Love. Therapy and it is kind of like Wes Anderson's Rushmore but with the focus more on a boy trying to figure out what true love is and him getting over his shyness over women. This is just a quick sentence summary of the film. It is more complex then it sounds.
The positions that will be open are:
Editors
Animators: there will be animated sections in the film as we dig into the character's mind in certain scenes
Composers: Because of budget concerns, i'm hoping to keep away from comercail songs. I just want independent musicians.
Effects Specialist: Basically if you have any skills in after effects for color compositio and etc. We arent looking for like people who do cgi or anything. Just stuff that can help make the video look better in post production
This film will be submitted to different film festivals.
If you have any other information, just pm me or just add me on myspace here

I really hope we can discuss the future of Indie films right here and right now. No need to wait.


Comments

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Wait..

Wow betty is just an asshole.

Seriously grow up.

Its a shame that good movies never can never truly reach the marketplace.

betty stfu you right winger nixon cock sucking fool of a wannabe ganster furry
i think robattle is right it is very sad.

good idea there mate, oh and betty.

at least he makes good ideas

sides those mom jokes your mom kept pulling out last night while i skull fucked that bitch were more funny than yours CUNT!

yeah but anyway thats a good idea, im getting tired of seeing that same crap been put up on a big screen, take SAW for example, purely and utterly bullshit, where are the orgianl classics, like 'saving private ryan' or 'enemy at the gates'

all gone to fucking hell

lmao, betty's a lesbo
I remember a post by Tom, saying that he was considering opening up a new video's section for newgrounds, though it's terribly controversial :|

Film has always had a lot of exposure on sites across the net, even before Youtube. Flast artists take it very personally when Newgrounds, the one true place for non-game animators to express themselves online, is asked to expand into other fields that would would demolish its uniqueness.

Yes, but I can also see indie films helping Newgrounds. There isnt any need to shocase them on the website persay, but Newgrounds sponsers shorts. Why doesn't newgrounds extend that and try to sponser filmmakers whether it be a short film, animated short, feature film, or animation. Small flash games get 5000 or something that gives them a reason to make more. Why not help filmmakers who finish their projects but happen to go overboard on their budget with 5000. That's something i think will really propel Newgrounds over other sites. Youtube was nearly on the road to sponsering films, but they failed in that attempt. And, sponsering indie films that are viewed in the film circuit could only help Newgrounds rather than demolish its uniqueness.

I agree 100% with almost everything you said. However, NG is far from professional. This site is still mostly about individuals creating Flashes in their spare time, and for most of them, that's how it will always be. It's true that over the years, a few lucky people have had their success on here land them jobs in animation or prorgramming, but for the most part, these are side projects, worked on for maybe a few hours a day. I don't want NG to become filled with professional-quality films created by teams of animators-- I much prefer it as a showcase of more unpolished, personal work.

Yeah, I love the way it is already as well. But what I'm considering is that Newgrounds merely helps the independent filmmaker. i'm not talkign about another youtube. This is about real filmmakers that make movies to go on to sundance and other festivals, but we never get any distribution deals and all of are hard work goes to waste. Where do we turn. Lets say if i finished my film, went to sundance and came back with nada. What I'm thinking is if Newgrounds showcased my film and sponsered it. I get a fanbase of over a million. Perhaps I even have another sponser that gives me 1 dollar for everyone that signs up to their website if the follow a certain link. Then, this fanbase will allow me to get the media to the consumer quicker. I can hire a distribution team to but it in theaters. It has Newgrounds as a sponser on the film and might even have a viewing of another million. See what I mean. I'm just thinking on a whole new level

The economic benefit to both independent filmmakers and Newgrounds as a whole appears sound. My suggestion is to try to get in contact with Tom and try to convince him that there is a very good opportunity in it. I feel like it would be very interesting to see what might come out of this idea though I personally fear that Newgrounds might not work out because at its very nature, Newgrounds is not a serious site. Though it tries sometimes to be, many of the people on Newgrounds would never accept it.

We can only hope during the months that newgrounds slowly accepts change no matter what form it comes in. I only can send a spark towards change by speaking my mind. I'll definitely try to contact Tom tomorrow morning

I think that's a great idea. Almost nobody knows about Newgrounds and it woul help so many people make their dreams of filmmaking and animation, and make film and animation a more open job option. One thing though, If we help make films that sponser NG, and the films can be seen by kids, kids could learn about NG. It wouldn't be so safe to have a MATURE button on the front page (and every page for that matter). Right?

Hmm, I see what you mean, but the problem is kids are already viewing inappropriate material anyways. It is the parents job to monitor what their kids do on the internet by setting up blocks and etc. Plus, I doubt many kids watch indie films like Rocket Science, Four Eyed Monster, or Abel Raises Cain. Newground tries to keep it legite by having ratings and put the responsibility in the kid's hands. But we all know they watch metal gear awesome or other stuff even with Mature.

I think a better idea would be to get together a good torrent site for sharing all these indie films, and put together an origional site of it's own. Advertising on NG might be a good call though.

Are you still going to release your Pico Day flash?

accually on eggbeater i woul have givin you a ten but that shaker or eggbeater? sound was a little ampped an i had headphones on. other than that shit was good. keep it up.-clum z

Its Quite Disgusting How SO MANY People (on a Massive Scale Here) Dont Know Whta Newgrounds is! it makes me angry because ALOT of the Flash Animations People see are Originally from Newgrounds...This site Deserves ALOT More Then it has got...

Cheers

I'm kinda with ansel on this one... Anyways newgrounds itself wouldn't even be that functional in distributing independent movies simply because they don't have the viralness of flash games, even flash movies that are featured don't often take off (beyond a few rare exceptions). The whole problem with the online market is that people expect things for free, they generally aren't willing to spend their money for something they feel entitled too, therefore it'd be hard to even break even as add impressions really run below 50cents per thousand impressions.
Keep on trucking though you have a bright future (if you ever want a few scenes animated I'd be willing XD always fun to be part of a bigger project. )